Presidential candidate Trump calls for punishing women for abortion, to the surprise of no one who has actually paid attention to anti-choicers

It never fails.

That was an anti-abortion organization in response to Donald Trump’s statement that women should suffer “some kind of punishment” for abortion on MSNBC. Here’s someone with a very good question for the March For Life:

Here’s me weighing in, because I pay attention to this issue:

And sure enough, here comes a person whom the glib, professional class of anti-choicers swear doesn’t exist:

As they should! Unlike practiced anti-choice politicians such as Ted Cruz and John Kasich, who have the smooth patter about how women should have health care choices removed from them because they care so deeply about them, Trump is a novice where the subject is concerned. That’s why when he was pressed on the subject, Trump sounded like this bozo Chris Estleton. Sure, punish women! Bitches have it coming! Trump’s kneejerk misogyny got the better of him (as usual) and he gave away the game.

Anti-choice leaders are furious about it! Per Life Site News:

Pro-life leaders have long said the post-abortive mother is a victim, not a perpetrator, and deserves support and acceptance, not hard time.

“Mr. Trump’s comment today is completely out of touch with the pro-life movement and even more with women who have chosen such a sad thing as abortion,” Jeanne Mancini, president of the March for Life Education and Defense Fund, said just moments after the media reported Trump’s comments. “Women who choose abortion often do so in desperation and then deeply regret such a decision.”

“No pro-lifer would ever want to punish a woman who has chosen abortion,” Mancini continued. “This is against the very nature of what we are about.”

“We invite a woman who has gone down this route to consider paths to healing, not punishment,” she said.

Penny Nance, the president of Concerned Women for America, agreed, “These are broken and wounded women being exploited by the abortion industry and Planned Parenthood.”

National Right to Life President Carol Tobias said her organization “has long opposed the imposition of penalties on the woman on whom an abortion is attempted or performed. Rather, penalties should be imposed against any abortionist who would take the life of an unborn child in defiance of statutes prohibiting abortions.”

Trump’s relatively recent conversion to the pro-life message may be behind his messaging, said Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser. “As a convert to the pro-life movement, Mr. Trump sees the reality of the horror of abortion – the destruction of an innocent human life – which is legal in our country up until the moment of birth,” she said. “But let us be clear: punishment is solely for the abortionist who profits off of the destruction of one life and the grave wounding of another.”

Well that settles it, I guess! No one in the anti-abortion movement wants to punish women. Except, oh wait, here is some disagreement with that from the very own comments section of the article I just linked:

Canada’s Criminal Code abortion law struck down by the Supreme Court in the 1988 Morgentaler decision provided for a maximum punishment of two years imprisonment for the woman and life imprisonment for the abortionist, so even then the law recognized the abortionist was worse. But even Mother Teresa once said in an interview there should be punishment for the mother. I agree women are often the second victim, and can suffer several severe punishments inherent in being a post abortive woman, but if the right to life of the unborn child as a full human being is to once again be recognized and protected by the law, then a woman who seeks an abortion cannot be given a free pass from legal responsibility. The courts would weigh each case on its individual circumstance and evidence thereto. I would not be so quick to dismiss such a position. Is the position of no legal consequences at all for the woman but only for the abortionist really the new politically correct position of the entire pro-life movement to which we all now have to subscribe?…

…Glad to see commenters have better sense than the people who run this usually excellent site…

…If the life of preborn/unborn babies are to be valued EQUALLY with born babies, then why would the punishment differ? Would not doing so be a tacit admission that the preborn are LESS VALUABLE? And does that not undercut the entire pro-life argument?…

…Glad to see some common sense and decency in the combox. This article along with nearly every other well known pro life voice is WRONG. Women who kill their children deserve some sort of punishment under our laws, even if they are also victims.

Being a victim doesn’t entitle anyone to murder another human being, especially her own child.

Maybe if the Prolife movement treated abortion like actual murder we’d make more peogress banning abortion…

…Whatever the amount of jail time someone gets for putting a hit out on a child would be a adequate punishment.

The majority of comments so far have been similar to those, in fierce opposition to the “don’t punish women” statements made by anti-abortion leaders in the article. Go figure. Life Site contributor and comments moderator Steve Jalsevac felt compelled to respond with a lengthy comment of his own, in which he couldn’t even hide his own desire to criminalize women! (Emphasis mine)

You are completely missing the pro-life rationale. It took quite a few years to understand that by far the best way to save unborn babies, while abortion is legal, is to love the mothers and try to help them with their situations causing them to seek abortion. Along the way we learned that very many of them are heavily pressured to abort and I have many times personally seen weeping, shaking young women dragged into abortion centres by their parents, husbands, boyfriends, pimps. It is a wretched thing to observe. Others are not pressured and just want it done for convenience.

However, if you want to save babies and the consciences of their mothers, it has been proven that paying attention to the mothers’ needs is by far the most effective strategy. It has absolutely nothing to do with political correctness. Mike, you should not use that terminology. Anyone involved In trying to stop abortions is very far from being politically correct. Advocating abortion is political correctness.

Of course we want all abortion to eventually be re-criminalized, but that is not remotely possible under the current cultural, political and social conditions. So, we just do the best that we can under the given conditions and nothing can be lost by offering love and help.

Abbey Johnson has been proving how really effective that strategy is in changing abortionists and abortion staff into strong pro-life advocates. That is a heck of a lot better than jailing them. They are among the most effective pro-life advocates after their conversion. Of course many are irreformable and nasty types, but we still have to try.

There are no simple solutions and calling for criminal charges against all the women is not helpful. Some of those women deserve tough accountability measures, but for the most part, pro-life work diring this post Chrisitan civilization time, when people’s consciences are badly formed, if not corrupted, has to be more of a mission of love than anything else.

Silent no More is another group that has been performing miracles of conversion to God and to pro-life by recognizing the deep hurt experienced by women who made the terrible mistake of giving in to abortion as a supposed quick solution. These women are very powerful witnesses against abortion and have saved thousands of unborn children and their mothers from abortion.

Basically, Jalsevac represents the professional class of anti-choicers exhorting their followers to be ixnay on the ailjay for women for now, while they work diligently to pass laws that actually, you know, put women in jail for violating abortion bans. The problem is that anti-choice movement is so steeped in angry misogyny that it’s practically impossible for any of them to keep a lid on their real intentions for long. There was no way a political novice like Trump was going to be able to do it, especially since he has clearly surrounded himself with misogynist malcontents.

One response to “Presidential candidate Trump calls for punishing women for abortion, to the surprise of no one who has actually paid attention to anti-choicers

  1. Whereas trying to close every abortion clinic in a state, and forcing women to take a week off of work is not punishment. Approximately one out of three American women has an abortion at some point.
    Here’s the good news:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/31/new-us-program-abortion-without-clinic-mifepristone-mifeprex