by David Safier
Contrary to my expectations when I walked into what was billed as a "public seminar sponsored by Rep. Terri Proud and Educating AZ Right," I heard an excellent,thorough explanation of education budgeting in Arizona. Chris Ackerley, a physics teacher at Amphi High School, gave a two hour talk about how ed funding works in Arizona, from local to state to federal, interpersed with questions and answers. When the event was over, I introduced myself to Ackerley and told him, honestly, that he gave the best presentation I have ever heard on the subject.
No, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm absolutely serious. It was a terrific, down-the-middle, nonpartisan presentation. Later, I'll give my take of where I think Proud & Co. are going with this, but first, let me tell you what I learned.
Ackerley compared per student spending in Amphi School District, Marana School District, TUSD and, as a representative of charter schools, BASIS charter. His conclusion was, once you strip away all the spending that's not directly educational, Amphi, TUSD and BASIS spend close to the same amount on "regular education" per student: about $6,200. Marana spends closer to $5,300.
He got there by eliminating money spent on things that aren't related to students' classroom educations: transportation, food, extracurricular activities including after school sports, building construction and some miscellaneous items. He also took special ed money out of the mix, because that very high figure can inflate the per student spending figure (and most charters, including BASIS, have few or no special ed students). All he left in are costs for instruction, administration and building maintenance.
Before he eliminated those non-education items, the per student totals varied considerably. TUSD and Amphi spend in the $8,500 range, Marana about $7,500 and BASIS around $6,300. The point Ackerley made very clearly was, the major differences between total per student spending and the amount spent on "regular education" is taken up by items school districts have to pay for — at varying levels depending on a variety of circumstances — which don't have any direct relationship to the education students get in the classroom. Charter schools have far fewer expenses of that nature.
Part of the conservative agenda is to give as much per student to charters as we give to districts. But as Ackerley made clear, though BASIS — and, by extension, many other charter schools — get as much as $2,000 less per student, the difference is not in money that goes toward what Ackerley calls "regular education." It's in services BASIS doesn't supply outside the classroom. If we give "as much per student to charters," we'll actually be giving them far more than districts receive for "regular education." It's a distinction conservatives don't want made, which is why it was so surprising, and welcome, to hear this so carefully explained at a Proud-sponsored event. Ackerley is an honest and thorough man, extremely knowledgeable on the subject, and a first rate teacher. (He is also the VP of the Amphi Education Assn. and a Board member of the Arizona Education Assn.) He knows how to take a complex subject and break it down into understandable parts without "dumbing it down."
Among other things, Ackerley mentioned that schools are underfunded, teachers are underpaid and all of that will very likely get much, much worse when the Fed stimulus money goes away and the Prop 100 sales tax money stops coming in, unless we do something to remedy the situation.
Beyond that, in the process of showing what he called the "Tangled Web" of public school funding in Arizona, Ackerley pointed out it is an unduly complicated process and implied there should be ways to simplify it. And this is what the people who sponsored the event wanted us to carry away. "All these numbers and funds and regulations make my head spin. Can't we just make this simpler?" And by "simpler," Proud & Co. mean, let's give every student the money the district would normally get for that student and let him/her take it to a "choice" school. If that just includes district and charter schools, it would mean charters would get more money for "regular education" than district schools. If it were broadened to private schools and home schooling — the next logical step — it would mean introducing vouchers. Ackerley, I should note, didn't much like the "Let the money follow the student" paradigm.
A FINAL NOTE: I was among a number of Democrats who attended the forum, basically because we wanted to monitor the event. As I said, I was pleasantly surprised by what I heard. Also, I have to say, I couldn't have been treated with more grace and friendliness by the people putting on the event, although they knew about the progressive column I write in the Explorer, and even about what I write on BfA. The event was remarkable for its lack of overt, bitter partisanship. I plan to attend future events put on by this group. I know the issues will be far more divisive in the future, but if they want honest dialogue, as this event suggested, I'm willing to do my part. And Ackerley laid a groundwork that may mean, though we're all entitled to our own ideas, we have a similar set of facts we can use as a basis for discussion.
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You would have to ask Chris that information. My sense from what he said is, he assembled the information by himself. He used Amphi as his main source, since he works there and has easy access to documentation.
It would be good to know where the facts and figures used by Chris came from so that we can read the entire report or reports. Are they from the AZ Education Association, Az School Bd. Association, his local district, the AZ Dept. of Education, the AZ Legislature, or somewhere else? Having the full reports will allow us to compare all of the school districts and not just the three plus one presented. It can be a useful tool in helping to correct what appears to be major differences between districts.
I liked your first blog better and it’s unfortunate your friends don’t want you to be nice to people you might disagree with politically. It was never assumed you agreed with Terri Proud on anything; it was just nice that you took the time to say you found the presentation informative.
It wasn’t clear to me what direction the thoughts were “pointing” and assuming we might know could be as surprising as the straight-forward presentation was last Thursday. We now know what a patch work the funding process is and from comments made it seems we didn’t really understand the degree of complexity involved. A good foundation for discussion on how to move forward in many ways to improve the quality was laid. We all learned! That’s one way to Educate Arizona Right!
MajorSato and Tullie, before you thank me too much, you should read my more recent post about Thursday evening. I think I remain fair, but I don’t want to leave the impression that I agree with the political or educational direction you want Arizona to go.
What I appreciated Thursday evening were Chris’ excellent talk and the lack of rancor in the discussion and in the socializing before and after. Honestly, I look forward to us disagreeing honestly at close range without all the shouting. If there are areas where we agree, so much the better. If not, at least we will have clearer understandings of each others’ positions on the issues.
I am so glad to hear you came away with a positive impression, David. I am a mother of three in Terri Proud’s district, and a proud Republican. Chris Ackerley did a fine job explaining education funding in AZ (something I have always wanted to better understand). Thank you for coming, for listening objectively, and for having the courage to write what you did. I agree with MajorSato’s comment above – common ground is more common than we might think. Since my Democrat days, I’ve learned that we all love our children; we just express it in different ways.
Thank you David for a well written, thoughtful and fair article. Let us all do more of this and together fix our state. If we stop fighting long enough I would bet we would find other common ground. Thanks again.
Totally off topic but did you see this?http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/25/253400/arpaio-orders-deputies-to-start-asking-undocumented-immigrants-about-wildfires/ Really? Can the DOJ/FBI please get going here? What the heck are they waiting for?
I’m not surprised to hear that. I sense that Mr. Ackerley intends to run for office some time.
Mr. Ackerley presented an honest assessment of how much money really goes into the per student funding figure, and although the presentation was overly long (with a few typos, and word errors), it was well done. The cognitive dissonance for me regarding his presentation was that it was hosted by a Republican legislator that voted against public education 100% of the time. How did that unholy alliance happen? You answer the question.
Ms. Proud didn’t take questions, and neither Chris nor Ms. Proud discussed why the the legislature funds schools so poorly, yet gives tax breaks to out of state businesses.
Chris Ackerly also started the AEA Republican caucus.