The Zionist crowd is repeatedly invoking the allocation of resources by Hamas as justification for Israel’s aggression these days. Some of our local Arizona Zionists were sharing this quote from the Times of Israel on Facebook:
Over the past several years, thousands of rockets have been launched from Gaza, home to one of the supposed poorest people in the Middle East. How is there money for rockets but not food? How is there money for weapons and not infrastructure?
This has an emotional pull to it, especially if you already support the Zionist cause, but the logic is entirely Orwellian. The unavoidable implication is that the more harm inflicted by oppression and occupation the less resistance is justified.
Consider this: If there were no Israeli blockade, and the people of Gaza were not distressed economically, nobody could be making this argument. If the blockade were made even more suffocating (hard to imagine, but it is possible), this argument against Hamas purchasing arms could be made even more strongly.
In other words, the more inhumane Israel’s policies towards Gaza become, and the worse the stranglehold on Gaza’s economy is, the less justified would be the efforts to resist.
Oh well. Another day. Another dose of propaganda.
Hearts and Minds
To Bob Lord – You and I both know you don’t intend to acknowledge responses to your posts (although I have been responding to yours), but using this blog as an extension of the Hamas propaganda strategy to sway readers by playing the “look at the inhumanity the Israeli’s are brutally bombing and killing our innocent women and children.” It’s a well-known technique of turning accusations around to confuse the casual lay public.
You talk of moral fiber, but don’t define it — Hamas moral fiber advocates “theological justification” to not only murder infidels, but the murder of their own people, and hide behind women and children as shields. Of course, the Israeli’s are doing the same thing, right?
The killing of Palestinian’s is truly brutally inhumane, BUT let’s get it straight, Hamas has purposefully orchestrated a “self-suicide” strategy to paint Israel as a monster – but Hamas is not fooling anyone. What’s more, one cannot imagine what level of intellect can conceive of a strategy of such outrageous barbarism.
What God would espouse such barbarism? What civilized peoples would accept it? What twisted mind could believe a civilized people would?
I, Bob Lord don’t expect you to reply to my questions, because it won’t square with the Hamas’s twisted logic, a logic you clearly embrace. You speak of your own logic, but avoid the scrutiny of counter-point – I welcome it, why don’t you? Who knows, we may all learn something.
Consider this if you will, if you and I can’t get on the same page, how do you expect the Israeli’s and Palestinians to do it?
To Pamela Powers Hannley,
I don’t know what planet your living on Pamela, but terrorists have been killing Americans, and even their own people for some time now – at shopping centers, on planes – where ever they can find easy targets. Where have you been? I’ve been reading about it for years!
When you talk about people killing each other, I suggest you do a little home-work before you blurt out your fantasies. I would remind you the Raytheon weapons you bad month, are what are providing the protection that allows you to FREELY bad month them.
Bob Lord,
Did you poll them all? Are they all of the same mind?
Did we have to poll the Germans and the Japanese to figure them out?
Yes they are of the same mind, there are no innocent peoples in Gaza!
I think you just proved my point.
To Bob Lord Please,
Pardon my ignorance Bob, but what point was that?
No, sorry, I won’t pardon your ignorance. Your ignorance is exactly what causes you to paint 1.8 million people with the same brush. When an entire population is seen as less worthy than another population, terrible things happen, as seen in Gaza today. In that regard, your understanding of history is abysmal. Continue to comment here if you like. We’ll allow your comments as long as the language is not offensive and you don’t overwhelm us with comments, but I have no intention of engaging in further discourse with you, and I doubt my colleagues have much interest in doing so either.
I have lived long enough to have experienced history, and recognize indignation as a smoke screen to dodge an issue.
I have also lived at a time where there was a place whose people embraced Nazism, and a vision of a Super-Race, not unlike a certain following that espouses killing all infidels. And when the war was over, and the German people were asked: did they not know what was going on in the gas chambers and extermination camps? They pleaded ignorance even though they could see the sky lighted by the oven fires at night, and the odor of burning bodies wafting over the land. To bring that evil to that end, the civilized world had to kill them all, and may need to be done to Hamas if they continue acting as mad-dogs.
How is Hamas able to exist if not by the acquiescence of the Gaza peoples? Does Hamas advocate the non-existence of Israel? Are Hamas strapping explosives to suicide bombers, and calling them heroes? Are Hamas using civilians as human shields? What does that say about how Hamas treats their own peoples?
You talk about my not knowing history, tell me then, why if the Jews and Arabs are from the same roots, where is all this hatred of Jews and “infidels coming from? The world has progressed from herding goats and sheep, to a civilized world where different peoples can and do live harmoniously TOGETHER.
About populations being unworthy – isn’t that what killing “all” infidels is about?
I agree that offensive language is inappropriate, if you would be kind enough to tell me what that language is, and let us see how much of history you are so well informed.
Overwhelm you with comments? Your colleagues will boycott me? If you can’t hold your ground after posting CANARDS, who are you trying to convince? Let’s see how your being an apologist for Hamas plays out, and who is more convincing.
I have lived long enough to have experienced history, and recognize indignation as a smoke screen to dodge an issue.
I have also lived at a time where there was a place whose people embraced Nazism, and a vision of a Super-Race, not unlike a certain following that espouses killing all infidels. And when the war was over, and the German people were asked: did they not know what was going on in the gas chambers and extermination camps? They pleaded ignorance even though they could see the sky lighted by the oven fires at night, and the odor of burning bodies wafting over the land. To bring that evil to that end, the civilized world had to kill them all, and may need to be done to Hamas if they continue acting as mad-dogs.
How is Hamas able to exist if not by the acquiescence of the Gaza peoples? Does Hamas advocate the non-existence of Israel? Are Hamas strapping explosives to suicide bombers, and calling them heroes? Are Hamas using civilians as human shields? What does that say about how Hamas treats their own peoples?
You talk about not knowing history, tell me then, why if the Jews and Arabs are from the same roots, where is all this hatred of Jews and “infidels coming from? The world has progressed from herding goats and sheep, to a civilized world where different peoples can and do live harmoniously TOGETHER.
About populations being unworthy – isn’t that what killing “all” infidels is about?
I agree that offensive language is inappropriate, if you would be kind enough to tell me what that language is, and let us see how much of history you are so well informed.
Overwhelm you with comments? Your colleagues will boycott me? If you can’t hold your ground after posting CANARDS, who are you trying to convince? Let’s see how your being an apologist for Hamas plays out, and who is more convincing.
Bob Lord please,
Yes they are of the same mind, were the peoples of Germany and Japan before we bombed them th hell. Yes they are worse, what Planet have you been living on?
I have no narrative, just paying attention to what’s going on.
Great show today on Democracy Now. In this clip Amy Goodman interviews an engineer about the Iron Dome. (You’ll remember that the Senate bill to “help the refugee children on the border” includes a ~$250 million gift to Israel for more Iron Dome technology.) Why do we arm the world and then become outraged when they kill each other? Raytheon would be the big US corporate benefactor of this money. Only the military industrial complex benefits from the bombing and fighting going on around the world.
From Democracy Now…
“Just hours after the White House condemned the shelling of a U.N. school in Gaza, the Pentagon confirmed it was providing Israel with fresh supplies of ammunition, including mortar rounds for tanks and ammunition for grenade launchers. Meanwhile, members of Congress are working to supply hundreds of millions of dollars in additional funding for Israel’s “Iron Dome” missile shield. While U.S. news anchors, pundits and politicians have repeatedly extolled the efficacy of the Iron Dome in deflecting rocket attacks, the acclaimed physicist Theodore Postol says there is no evidence Iron Dome is actually working. He estimates the Iron Dome, which is partially built by Raytheon, intercepts just 5 percent of rockets fired at Israel.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/31/iron_dome_or_iron_sieve_evidence
Ditto for what Ciro said. And don’t forget that it was Hamas that started shooting rockets
Consider this as well: in answering your “If there were no Israeli blockade, and the people of Gaza were not distressed economically, nobody could be making this argument.”
Neither would there be a Gaza blockade if the people of Gaza were not committed to the total destruction of Israel! How about starting the discusion from that point?
You state that the “people of Gaza” are “committed to the total destruction of Israel.” From where do you get your information? There are 1.8 million “people of Gaza.” Did you poll them all? Are they all of the same mind?
Want to learn something about Gaza? Here’s a well written piece on the subject.
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.608008
When an entire people are depicted as something less than others is when terrible things happen, including genocide. The “people of Gaza” are just that: People. Nothing more. Nothing less. They’re no better than you or I, but they’re also no worse. Sorry if that does not fit your narrative.
Perfect example of selective memory are a people who committed and brain washed from child birth for the total distruction of Israel. Add to that the Hammas have so little regard for life that they place THEIR OWN children in harms way and then cry foul. What kind of animals are these people, and those that buy into it?