Above: Internet troll Rep. John Kavanagh aka “Troll Boy” in his natural state.
Update to Ducey Packed AZ Supreme Court Temporarily Upholds Prop. 208, With A Roadmap To Gutting It.
Troll Boy trolled this blog with a comment the other day that merits a detailed response to his rank dishonesty.
Let’s break it down. First,
This blog posting is exceedingly deceptive and AZBlueMeanie should be ashamed that he posted it. Even liberal zealots deserve the whole truth.
First of all, the blog posting’s title deceptively suggests that it was the additional court members that Governor Ducey appointed to the Supreme Court who are the cause of this ruling. However, this ruling was nearly unanimous, so the added members the governor put on the court has nothing to do with this ruling. So called court packing is not an issue.
I did not “suggest” anything, I simply stated a fact.
Six of the seven Justices currently sitting on the Arizona Supreme Court were appointed by Governor Doug Ducey (Justice Timmer was appointed by Governor Jane Dee Hull). Gov. Ducey and our authoritarian GQP legislature did, in fact, pack the court – House Bill 2537 – over the unanimous opposition of sitting justices on the court in 2016. Ducey signs law adding 2 justices to Arizona Supreme Court:
“Additional justices are not required by the court’s caseload,” Chief Justice Scott Bales wrote to Ducey earlier this month. “And an expansion of the court (whatever people may otherwise think of its merits) is not warranted when other court-related needs are underfunded.”
The Atlantic reported in 2016, Arizona Republicans Try to Bring Back Court-Packing. There is no serious dispute that Gov. Ducey and legislative Republicans packed the Arizona Supreme Court.
Former chief Justice Scott Bales retired earlier this year, and out of all the lawyers and judges in Arizona Gov. Ducey could have appointed to fill his seat, he appointed his ex-aid. Ducey appoints ex-aide to fill state Supreme Court vacancy: Ducey appointed “Kathryn Hackett King, a Phoenix lawyer who previously worked on his staff. King, a fellow Republican whom Ducey appointed to the state Board of Regents in 2020, was Ducey’s deputy general counsel from 2015 to 2017.”
If Justice Timmer were to retire sometime in the next two years, Gov. Ducey will have appointed all seven Supreme Court Justices and remade the court in his own image, which will continue well past his leaving the governor’s office. (Voters can correct this when these Justices come up for judicial retention on the ballot, but most voters pay little attention to the judicial retention ballot).
When you read the Prop. 208 opinion, the majority opinion – by six Ducey appointed justices – spend quite a bit of time sniping at the partial dissent by Justice Timmer, the lone non-Ducey justice.
And if you want to talk about deceptive: Rep. John Kavanagh is one of the named legislative plaintiffs in this lawsuit, a relevant fact he conveniently failed to disclose.
Next,
Meanie then fails to mention that the group that placed this initiative on the ballot was warned by non-partisan Legislative Council that the wording was probably unconstitutional and that if they wanted to get that money to the schools, they should do it by a constitutional amendment and not a regular initiative. Legislative Council’s reasoning was that the school spending cap was introduced by a constitutional amendment and initiatives cannot override the constitution, a position that the Arizona Supreme Court confirmed in its ruling. The group ignored that advice probably because constitutional changes require more signatures and now they’re paying the price.
This factual statement cited in the opinion was not relevant to the Court’s Prop. 208 analysis, which is why it did not merit a mention.
I would add that the GQP controlled legislature regularly ignores the opinions of the legislative council and does whatever the hell it wants, which is why there have been so many lawsuits over the years challenging the constitutionality of the laws enacted by the Arizona legislature. The legislature regularly loses these cases. (One reason why Gov. Ducey packed the Supreme Court to prevent this from happening).
This new development, thanks to the GQP legislative plaintiffs who brought this ill-conceived lawsuit against Prop. 208, does merit mention. Jeremy Duda reports, Collateral damage: Supreme Court ruling jeopardizes another $600 million in school funding:
When the Arizona Supreme Court ruled against an income tax hike that voters approved last year, it illuminated another K-12 funding issue that could strip $600 million a year out of Arizona schools.
Funding from the legislature’s 2018 extension of an expiring sales tax is likely to count against an education spending limit that voters imposed on the state more than four decades ago. Recent increases in K-12 spending, along with a COVID-induced reduction in the spending cap, are making an urgent problem all the more dire.
Proposition 301, which voters approved in 2000, enacted a six-tenths percent sales tax increase to fund education. That tax hike was only good for 20 years, so in the face of a rapidly approaching expiration date, lawmakers and Gov. Doug Ducey approved an extension in 2018.
But they didn’t replicate a key element of Prop. 301. While lawmakers two decades ago recognized that the sales tax money would violate the constitutional spending limit and convinced voters in 2002 to exempt the recently approved ballot measure, that exemption doesn’t apply to the 2018 extension — and legislators haven’t asked voters to ensure that schools can spend the money.
Lawmakers three years ago copied language from the 2000 ballot measure declaring that money from the reauthorized sales tax hike is exempt from the spending limit, but didn’t ask voters to amend the 1980 spending cap to exempt the sales tax extension.
And the Supreme Court’s ruling last week on Proposition 208 makes clear that that won’t cut it, putting the $600 million in annual sales tax revenue in jeopardy.
[T]hough [the court] never mentioned Prop. 301 in the ruling, the justices made clear that, without an amendment to the state constitution, the legislature has no power to exempt that sales tax revenue from the spending limit.
Legislative Council, which advises lawmakers on legislation, has also concluded that the 2002 constitutional amendment doesn’t exempt funding from the 2018 reauthorization of the Prop. 301 tax, which went into effect in July.
Without this ill-conceived lawsuit and Ducey’s packed Supreme Court, this would likely never have come to attention and posed a new education funding crisis for Arizona. Thanks for that, Troll Boy.
No court has yet said that the Prop. 301 money will count toward the cap. But one lawsuit may be all it takes to trigger an education funding crisis involving the sales tax money. It’s unclear whether anyone will actually go to court over the issue.
Oh, our anti-education GQP legislators will now that they know they can cut even more revenue from public education.
The Arizona Department of Education is now looking into the issue and trying to determine what the ruling and the spending limit issue mean for Prop. 301.
[L]awmakers have a couple of options to alleviate the problem, one short-term and one long-term. Over the past couple years, neither has had much luck at the Capitol [with anti-education GQP legislators].
The constitution allows the legislature to exceed the cap for one year with a two-thirds vote, which has happened only twice since 1980. Lawmakers could also send another measure to the ballot, as they did in 2002, asking voters to amend the cap so that it won’t apply to the Prop. 301 extension. Or they could ask voters to increase the spending limit, as they did in 1986 when it was increased by 10%.
You should note that Troll Boy failed to mention this. Rather than suing to overturn Prop. 208, the GQP legislative plaintiffs could have (1) voted to exceed the spending cap or (2) referred a ballot measure to the ballot for voters to increase the spending limit, in order to effectuate voter approval of Prop. 208. Instead, their malicious goal is to eliminate voter approved funding for public education.
[If] the funding from either Prop. 208 or Prop. 301 counts toward the spending cap, determining exactly how far over the limit the state will be is difficult.
Rep. Paul Boyer said legislative budget analysts are predicting the state will exceed the spending limit this fiscal year.
“Even if (Prop.) 208 gets tossed out by the courts, which it sounds like it’s going to, we’re going to exceed the limit this fiscal year anyway,” he said.
[E]xacerbating the problem now is a substantial lowering of the cap, a result of the decrease in student enrollment caused by the pandemic. The limit was about $6.3 billion for fiscal year 2021, but is down to $6 billion for the current year.
So now Arizona is faced with yet another school funding crisis because these GQP legislative plaintiffs filed a lawsuit and got the Ducey packed Supreme Court to do their bidding, overturning Prop. 208.
And finally,
Finally, Meanie suggests that this court ruling undermines the will of the people to enact law by initiative but he fails to acknowledge that the spending limit, which is the reason why this extra money probably can’t be spent, was initiated not by the legislature but by a vote of the people when they amended the Arizona constitution at the ballot box. So, the bottom line is that the people who placed this initiative on the ballot were actually unconstitutionally trying to subvert the will of the voters who change the constitution and put the spending limit in place.
This is disingenuous. In 1980, the legislature referred a series of ten amendments to the Arizona Constitution, presented to the voters as a referendum in a special election on June 3, 1980. The Republican controlled legislature set the first week of June for the special election, when most voters with school-age children go on summer vacation (this is in the days before early voting). This left elderly retirees who typically oppose paying taxes to educate other people’s children (always a problem with school override elections).
Proposition 109 proposed limits on expenditures by school districts and community college districts. Article IX, section 21. Yes, the voters approved this referendum.
Special Elections are always low voter turnout elections, especially in early June when it is hotter than hell in Arizona, and voters were more focused on the Iranian hostage crisis at the time. (I have asked the Secretary of State’s office for the vote totals for and against Prop. 109, but I have not yet received a reply). Suffice it to say that perhaps only tens of thousands voters more than 40 years ago approved this anti-tax measure. (In the 1980 general election, Arizona had only 1,121,169 registered voters, and a “record” turnout, at that time, of total ballots cast 898,193. The Special Election in June without doubt was only a small fraction of this total). In 2020, Proposition 208 was approved by voters 1,675,810 to 1,562,639. The margin of 113,171 almost certainly exceeds the margin for Proposition 109 in the June 1980 special election.
In any event, most of these 1980 voters are dead now. The dead hand of voters from over 40 years ago should not strangle the future of our children today. (Thomas Jefferson believed that a country’s constitution should be rewritten every 19 years). What this lawsuit has done is highlight that this antiquated anti-tax provision in the Arizona Constitution, Article IX, section 21 – Prop. 109 (June 1980), should be referred back to the voters for repeal.
As Julie Erfle explains, The Supreme Court’s flawed ruling on Invest in Ed should not stand (excerpt):
Voters passed the expenditure limit in 1980. Back then, schools looked much different from today. There were no personal computers or technology labs. No Wi-Fi or charter schools. Our state ranked near the national average in per pupil funding, unlike now when we hover between 49th and 50th and cannot fill more than a quarter of our teacher vacancies.
The law is a relic that legislators should refer back to the ballot. I’m convinced voters would be happy to overturn it, especially since most don’t even realize it exists. But even if they do not, lawmakers have within their power the ability to override the cap and have already done so on two different occasions.
David Lujan, the CEO and president of Children’s Action Alliance — one of the organizations responsible for crafting the Invest in Education initiative — and a former state legislator explains:
Lujan stressed that the Legislature should address this antiquated law soon, since we are regularly bumping up against the cap, and do we really want a law that mandates a last-in-nation ceiling on expenditures?
So long as the law remains as is, we’ll be unable to fully fund all-day kindergarten and special education services or bring teacher salaries up to the national average.
Julie Erfle continues:
Unfortunately, the court’s justices didn’t do their homework. But all is not lost.
The case has been sent back to the trial court. There’s an opportunity now for school finance experts to testify about existing law and how expenditures limits are currently handled.
Let’s hope this court gets it right, and our students aren’t sentenced to another decade of overcrowded and poorly funded classrooms.
Which is the goal of these GQP legislative plaintiffs in this lawsuit. They have been doing this for decades.
Their lawsuit could result in the unintended consequence of the public demanding that the Arizona Constitution, Article IX, section 21 – Prop. 109 (June 1980) be referred back to the voters for repeal. Take that, Troll Boy.
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Oh the shame of it all! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8qpy7fGACI
I have been owned. 🙂
Better pack it in TTB Sharpie, you have clearly been bested by the good State Rep’s rapier wit.
You’re a real pro at spotting sarcasm.
JK says “The only thing worth looking at in this post is the excellent caricature, although I doubt that Meanie drew it.”
Well no duh, galaxy brain, there’s a website clearly listed on the bottom of the troll cartoon.
You really don’t think things through, do you sport?
Regarding Meanie’s quoting SfC and CAA (See “Leaders of Stand for Children and Children’s Action Alliance, two organizations that are part of the coalition that worked to pass Prop. 208, said the Supreme Court was premature in determining — without evidence — that schools will be violating the state constitution if they receive and spend from funds collected through Prop. 208.”)
The Supreme Court never said that the schools will or will not be violating the state constitution by exceeding the spending cap. The Supreme Court said that if Prop 208 took in so much money that it would exceed the spending cap, then it would violate the state constitution and be illegal. They said that no evidence existed to say that and they then sent the case back to the lower court for a hearing to determine whether or not the monies collected would exceed the spending cap.
So the Supreme Court was not premature in making any such decision because they didn’t make that decision and instead acknowledged that there was no evidence to make such a decision and ask the lower court to see if evidence existed to make such a determination.
I wish Meanie would be as critical of what people whose views he supports say as he is critical of me.
Johnny, if you were any more full of yourself you’d explode (like Mr. Creosote) & Mrs. Johnny (or the hired help) would have a nasty mess to clean up.
The only thing worth looking at in this post is the excellent caricature, although I doubt that Meanie drew it.
Regarding your court packing headline, given that the court members added to the court had no affect on the ruling, which was near unanimous, that headline obviously was irrelevant and thus disingenuous. In addition, you seem to imply that whenever a Republican governor appoints a Supreme Court member, it is a case of court packing. That is absurd. You cannot redefine court packing to make your case. Well, I guess you can do it in this blog, where anything goes.
The fact that I was one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit is not really a substantive issue, but in retrospect I should’ve mentioned it but it didn’t occur to me to do so. Unlike Meanie, I have no problem admitting when I err.
The dismissal of the fact that non-partisan legislative council warned the filers of Prop 208 that the language was probably unconstitutional and that they needed to file a constitutional referral and not an initiative to accomplish their end is very relevant and to dismiss it is a case of Meanie doubling down on disingenuousness. The fact that they did not listen to Legislative Council and file a referral to amend the constitution is highly relevant, in spite of what Meanie states because had the filers done that, they would have not only passed Prop 208 but would have amended the Arizona Constitution so that it would not have violated the spending cap and would be legal. Clearly, Meanie is not an attorney, so at least we have a small clue as to who this anonymous blogger is not.
Meanie’s attempting to defend Prop 208 as a law passed by the voters by discrediting Prop 109, which was a constitutional amendment passed by the voters, strains logic and is unbelievably hypocritical. I did not know that Prop 109 was voted on during the summer and I certainly would have opposed such a date being a supporter of standardized elections. However, I’m wondering if Meanie is a newcomer to the drive to standardize selections. Not sure where Meanie stood when we try to get cities and towns to standardize election dates and if he advocates for all school bond elections to be moved to November. I would like to hear his position on that. And besides, advocates for removing the school spending cap have had over 40 years to do so. Maybe the blame lies with them.
Finally, calling those who oppose you names makes you look juvenile and detracts from your position. Meanie should reconsider using that juvenile debate tactic.
UPDATE: The Arizona Mirror reports, “Despite court ruling, education advocates say Prop. 208 can have a ‘long life’”, https://www.azmirror.com/2021/08/26/despite-court-ruling-education-advocates-say-prop-208-can-have-a-long-life/
Backers of the Invest in Education Act say the voter-approved tax hike on the rich to increase teacher pay and boost school funding has a future, despite last week’s Arizona Supreme Court ruling that the spending plan is likely unconstitutional.
Leaders of Stand for Children and Children’s Action Alliance, two organizations that are part of the coalition that worked to pass Prop. 208, said the Supreme Court was premature in determining — without evidence — that schools will be violating the state constitution if they receive and spend from funds collected through Prop. 208.
“When you actually look at the history of the expenditure cap, the limits and how they work, and how the funding flows, there’s room to argue that Prop. 208 very much works within the cap constitutionally,” said Rebecca Gau, executive director of Stand for Children.
One of the key determinations the Court made in its ruling is that the money Prop. 208 sends to schools cannot be considered a “grant.” The ballot measure declared the money would be delivered as grants, which are exempted from the constitutional expenditure limit that was created in 1980. The court ruled that the spending from Prop. 208 would have to fit within that limit, which was last increased in 1986.
Chuck Essigs, a school finance expert at the Arizona Association of School Business Officials, said it’s not guaranteed that school spending will exceed the constitutional threshold, even if Prop. 208 money is given to schools.
The limit is calculated annually based on the school population of the previous year and inflation. Schools have historically been funded below the limit.
Even if the limit is exceeded, there are two mechanisms for schools to comply with the constitutional spending cap: The legislature can waive the expenditure limit by a supermajority vote or school districts can reduce their budgets proportional to the amount that is exceeded.
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And the legislature can refer a ballot measure to the voters to exceed the spending limit in order to effectuate Prop. 208, consistent with the will of the voters, as it has done previously in the past.
John “Troll Boy” Kavanagh is a typical fake conservative.
Like their memory hole on the Bush recession, he recently posted here about Afghanistan, pretending the last 21 years never happened.
He has stated publicly that he doesn’t like democracy.
He has stated publicly that he believes it’s good to take my money by force of law and give it to his corporate pals and he doesn’t know how to negotiate a contract with a vendor to benefit Arizona.
He spends time with Kansas billionaires and enacts laws they want instead of law’s Arizona needs.
He’ll talk about small, limited government and then enact laws to prevent local governments from passing laws their constituents want and need.
Because he thinks he knows better than you.
He’s against education and for indoctrination (see the university Freedom Centers or whatever psy-ops name they’re calling these fake think tanks).
He’s a friend of bigots and racists because he’s a bigot and racist. See SB 1070, a law that cost Arizona $2,000,000,000.00 USD and still haunts this state, because a lot of companies won’t open locations in The Hate State.
He’s a wrecking ball to growth for Arizona’s economy.
The laws he passes hurt people and families, keep children from getting the education they need to get good paying jobs.
He’ll pray to his God while tearing families apart.
He passes laws about women’s health without talking to any doctors. OMFG on that one.
He recently posted a link to the NYPost. Not a reputable “news” source, but at least he staying true to his Jersey roots.
And because he’s completely self-unaware, I can find no record of him ever getting a paycheck that wasn’t government issued.
He’s embarrassing.
Perhaps the reason most voters don’t pay attention to the judicial retention ballot is the media, along with other information sources, don’t pay attention to the judicial decisions & the impact of the those decisions of those on the judicial retention ballot.