Trump’s fraudulent ‘voter fraud’ commission is for GOP voter suppression

Donald Trump has repeatedly claimed, without evidence, that widespread voter fraud caused him to lose the popular vote to Hillary Clinton by almost 3 million votes, even while he won the presidency with an electoral college victory. Without evidence, Trump tells lawmakers 3 million to 5 million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote.

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In pursuit of the delusions of our always insecure egomaniacal Twitter-troll-in-chief, Donald Trump issued an “Executive Order Establishing of Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity.”

Yeah, that’s not at all what this executive order is about. It is about Trump trying to validate his delusions that he won the popular vote but for voter fraud by millions of Americans. Trump’s commission on voter fraud is, well, fraudulent.

There is no evidence to support Mr. Trump’s claims that millions of people voted illegally in 2016, which have been discredited repeatedly by fact-checkers.

Sherrilyn Ifill, the president of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, warned when Trump’s executive order was announced that the commission is “a thinly veiled voter suppression task force,” adding that it was “designed to impugn the integrity of African-American and Latino participation in the political process.” NAACP Legal Defense Fund Statement on Expected Voter Fraud Commission. She is absolutely right.

Let’s just say that things are not going well for Trump’s fraudulent “voter fraud” commission. Trump’s voting commission asked states to hand over election data. Some are pushing back.

President Trump’s voting commission stumbled into public view this week, issuing a sweeping request for nationwide voter data that drew sharp condemnation from election experts and resistance from more than two dozen states that said they cannot or will not hand over all of the data.

The immediate backlash marked the first significant attention to the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity since Trump started it last month and followed through on a vow to pursue his own unsubstantiated claims that voter fraud is rampant and cost him the popular vote in the presidential election. The White House has said the commission will embark upon a “thorough review of registration and voting issues in federal elections,” but experts and voting rights advocates have pilloried Trump for his claims of widespread fraud, which studies and state officials alike have not found. They say that they fear the commission will be used to restrict voting.

Those worries intensified this week after the commission sent letters to 50 states and the District on Wednesday asking for a trove of information, including names, dates of birth, voting histories and, if possible, party identifications. The letters also asked for evidence of voter fraud, convictions for election-related crimes and recommendations for preventing voter intimidation — all within 16 days.

While the Trump administration has said it is just requesting public information, the letters met with swift — and sometimes defiant — rejection. By Friday, 25 states were partially or entirely refusing to provide the requested information; some said state laws prohibit releasing certain details about voters, while others refused to provide any information because of the commission’s makeup and backstory.

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Other states have said that they do plan to hand over information, albeit less than the broad sweep outlined in the letters.

LOCAL: Arizona Secretary of State Michele Reagan plans to provide President Donald Trump’s commission on voter fraud with Arizona’s voter-registration information, with certain exceptions. Arizona will provide voter information to White House as concerns swirl:

But the request for information is not sitting well with the officials of Arizona’s two largest counties, who run their own, separate databases.

Reagan issued a statement on her website Friday saying her office will provide information that is available to anyone in the general public, as the law and a recent settlement in a registration-database lawsuit permit.

But she will not release certain data Kobach is requesting because state law forbids it. That includes the last four digits of a voter’s Social Security number, his or her date of birth (only the year is permitted) and other identifying information such as the maiden name of the voter’s mother.

However, her spokesman later said Reagan was reacting to media reports on what Kobach and the commission are seeking. The office had not received the letter as of late Friday.

“Until we officially receive the letter, we don’t have an official response,” Matt Roberts said.

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Adrian Fontes, who as Maricopa County recorder runs the largest voter-registration database in the state, said he won’t release the data on 2.2 million voters until he receives guarantees from Kobach that the information won’t be made public. He, too, had not yet received Kobach’s letter.

“He is not entitled to the information for the purposes he says he is seeking it,” Fontes said of Kobach. Arizona state law allows such information to be released for verifying signatures on candidates’ petitions and filings, for elections purposes and for news gathering.

As Fontes sees it, Kobach doesn’t meet those criteria. Fontes believes the unstated purpose is voter suppression.

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Pima County Recorder F. Ann Rodriguez agreed with Fontes that Kobach’s intent to publicize the registration data is not allowed.

“It does not qualify for someone to put up voter registration information on the internet so anyone on God’s green earth can look at it,” she said.

Back to the Post:

“This entire commission is based on the specious and false notion that there was widespread voter fraud last November,” Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) said in a statement. “At best this commission was set up as a pretext to validate Donald Trump’s alternative election facts, and at worst is a tool to commit large-scale voter suppression.”

California, a state Trump singled out for “serious voter fraud,” also refused to participate. Alex Padilla, the California secretary of state, said providing data “would only serve to legitimize the false and already debunked claims of massive voter fraud.”

Vice President Pence, who is chairman of the commission, hosted a conference call with the group’s members Wednesday morning, three weeks before they are scheduled to have their first meeting in Washington. During the call, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R), the vice chairman, told the other members about the letters.

A spokesman for Pence defended the letters, noting they seek information that is available publicly under state laws. [Not so for every state.]

“The commission very clearly is requesting publicly available data in accordance with each state’s laws in an effort to increase the integrity of our election system,” Jarrod Agen, the spokesman, said in a statement. “The commission’s goal is to protect and preserve the principle of one person, one vote because the integrity of the vote is the foundation of our democracy.”

Bullshit! Its purpose is to compile a comprehensive data base of voter information for purposes of GOP voter suppression efforts. Trump’s fraudulent “voter fraud” commission has as members the GOP’s leading voter suppression specialist, Kris Kobach, and the notorious “voter fraud” conspiracy theorist Hans Von Spakovsky. There is no reason to believe this commission is acting in good faith.

On Friday, as states said they would not participate, White House deputy White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders called that pushback a “political stunt.”

“I think that that is mostly political stunt,” Sarah Huckabee Sanders, a White House spokeswoman, said when asked about the pushback. “This is a commission that’s asking for publicly available data and the fact that these governors wouldn’t be willing to turn that over — this is something that has been part of the commission’s discussion, which has bipartisan support and none of the members raised any concern whatsoever.”

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Our Twitter-troll-in-chief tweeted on Saturday morning: “Numerous states are refusing to give information to the very distinguished VOTER FRAUD PANEL. What are they trying to hide?”

Maybe Trump should ask Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach. Kris Kobach says he can’t comply with Kris Kobach’s voter data request. Doh!

The request for records drew a new round of scrutiny to Kobach, a candidate for governor of Kansas in 2018 and an intellectual and political leader among conservatives who want to crack down on illegal immigration and the perceived threat of voter fraud.

In 2009, announcing his first bid for secretary of state, Kobach said that registration fraud by the defunct community organizing group ACORN made Americans wonder whether “the next election’s going to be stolen.” In office, Kobach aggressively pursued cases of potential fraud and promoted the “Crosscheck” system to see whether voters had registered in multiple states. But he frequently lost in court, as judges warned that measures meant to keep noncitizens off the rolls were ensnaring too many legitimate voters.

“It looks like they’re putting together a database of who people voted for,” said Jason Kander, a former Missouri secretary of state who runs the nonprofit group Let America Vote. “Democrat, Republican, independent, everybody should be outraged by that. This is from the same people, from Kris Kobach to Donald Trump, who’ve tried to make it harder for people to vote, and this seems like a step in the process. If the Obama administration had asked for this, Kris Kobach would be holding a press conference outside the Capitol to denounce it.”

The idea of collecting all national voter data for an audit has traveled through conservative circles for years. True the Vote, a group that promoted the fear that bogus voter registrations led to stolen votes in the 2008 election, also advanced the theory that millions of illegal votes denied Trump a popular mandate.

True the Vote itself has struggled to keep up momentum from the Obama era. Catherine Engelbrecht, the group’s president, told supporters in a video message last week that True the Vote was not getting the donations necessary to meet its ambitions. The dream of a grass-roots national voter audit was simply not going to happen.

“We have gathered 2016 voter rolls; we’ve gathered information from thousands of resources,” Engelbrecht said. “For us, it’s never been about the headlines, or the promised presidential commissions, or the make-believe Russian hackers.”

No, it’s those “illegal” Mexicans and African-American felons who are illegally voting for Democrats by the millions for these delusional wingnut conspiracy theorists.

Experts described the request as unprecedented in scope, a recipe for potential voter suppression and troubling for the privacy issues it raises.

“This is an attempt on a grand scale to purport to match voter rolls with other information in an apparent effort to try and show that the voter rolls are inaccurate and use that as a pretext to pass legislation that will make it harder for people to register to vote,” said Rick Hasen, an election-law expert at the University of California at Irvine.

Hasen said he has “no confidence” in whatever results the committee produces. He said the commission and its request create a number of concerns, including that it is an election group created by one candidate for office — Trump, who already is campaigning for reelection — and headed by Pence, another political candidate.

“It’s just a recipe for a biased and unfair report,” Hasen said. “And it’s completely different from the way that every other post-election commission has been done.”

Justin Levitt, an elections expert at Loyola Law School, pointed to the request about voters’ party affiliations, which he said violates the federal Privacy Act of 1974. Critics also said that because of varying state laws, the commission won’t be able to make an apples-to-apples comparison with the data it collects, which could undermine its eventual conclusions.

The most acute worry Friday was about what the group’s expected report in 2018 will recommend.

“It could end up leading to trying to create a justification for more state laws that restrict voting in very serious and what are proven to be unlawful ways,” said Vanita Gupta, who headed the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division during the Obama administration. “And that’s through all kinds of cuts, through restrictive voter ID laws, through cuts in early voting [and] same day registration.”

The Post’s Paul Waldman explains Why we should be very afraid of Trump’s vote suppression commission. No state should comply with Trump’s fraudulent “voter fraud” commission. Give it the middle-finger salute, and let this fraudulent commission die.

35 thoughts on “Trump’s fraudulent ‘voter fraud’ commission is for GOP voter suppression”

  1. Here is the truth that the 3 million votes where from Martians. Martians have living with us since the ’60’s!!!!!:

    Martian Voter Fraud (Phoenix)

    WASHINGTON D.C. — Donald Trump today called for a thorough investigation into millions of Martians who landed on Earth last November and illegally voted in the election.

    Explaining that only massive Martian voter fraud could explain why more Americans actually voted against him than for him, and why he lost the popular vote by almost 3 million.

    Citing zero actual evidence, Trump explained that “I’m very smart” and “I hear things – lots of things – and, you know, people are talking about this. I’m not saying who, but I hear people talking about this.”

    Trump had no explanation for how Martians could possibly have voted without showing proof of citizenship, or why *none* of the 50 state attorneys general (28 of whom are Republicans) have reported any evidence whatsoever of Martian voter fraud.

  2. I have a question for the liberals here. who do you think the voters of arizona hate more donald trump or liberal elitists democrats?

  3. up until election day the democratic party leaders were announcing trump is lying! there is no interference in our elections. the system is secure. all the while obama is telling putin to stop interfering in the election. why? because they thought clinton would win anyway! she loses. now democrats are screaming tampering, hacking and collusion! and you wonder why these democrats are viewed with contempt by the voters. this is like in august 1939 when hitler and stalin signed their nonaggression pact. one day communist are demanding britian and france stand up to evil hitler and the next day britian and france are war mongers for standing up to hitler! as lincoln said you can’t fool all the people all of the time. I was complaining about election fraud before the election on this blog and was criticized for not getting with the democratic party line of no election interference has been found propaganda.

  4. To me its pretty simple. You all have organized a number of assaults against the President and his agenda.

    Those assaults required position and “oxygen.”

    When he punches someone in the nose, boom!, all the oxygen is gone and so is the position. He reestablishes himself as king of the hill and you all have to start all over again.

    Who is Comey? Who is Mueller? Who were those guys?

    Stock market is still at an all time record, still up 4 trillion since election day.

    By the time your gambits worked their way on Nixon, the stock market was down 40%.

    Different day, different president, doesn’t seem like it is going to work.

    Could change tomorrow, but I think Trump is going to be around for 8 years and then he will pass the baton on to one of his kids.

    Your ultimate nightmare, a Trump as president for the next 24 years (there are two kids that seem like they could easily do it).

    • If Trump gets to name three Supreme Court justices, his legacy could go on for decades.

      • SCOTUS is a problem, yes. But if the Democrats take back the Senate in 2018, that threat goes away. Schumer will do to Baby Donald what McConnell did to President Obama. Do you think he won’t? Do you think he’s scared of the GOP mofos? Watch the video again.

      • Just because Trump et al pulled off the biggest con ever on the American people doesn’t mean it works twice, John. Even you will eventually realize only idiots and very rich people support this reality show buffoon. Despite your numeric word hemorrhages and ramblings in support of the buffoon-in-chief, you’re really on the same level as those poor white rust belt voters waiting for coal mining jobs. Or maybe the white supremacy ideology is what you like about Trump. I don’t know, it doesn’t really matter.

        This may not end well, but it does end. And sooner than you hope.

        • This comment (6:58) was intended for John Huppenthal, not Sen Kavanagh. Sorry. Y’all are becoming almost indistinguishable.

        • “Just because Trump et al pulled off the biggest con ever on the American people doesn’t mean it works twice, John.”

          You are assuming it was a “con job” because you don’t agree with it. That is likely a mistake. I read all of your messages here, and I have to say you are fighting a lot of mental battles that are entirely unnecessary and only cause you anxiety. The Captain (aka – Censored) is correct in so many ways yet you dismiss him as a quack because it doesn’t fit your paradigm. I think a lot of democrats do something similar and that, I believe, is what will cost them the 2018 election, and likely the 2020 election as well. There has been a major shift in American view points that democrats are having trouble seeing. These last four “key” elections demonstrate it, but democrats still can’t see it. Personally, I am happy about that, but there is something sad about watching it happen right in front of you.

          • You know, Steve, I was going to let this slide but I do feel compelled to point out to you that you don’t know squat about my anxiety level or anyone else’s except your own. And I haven’t dismissed Censored as a quack (your word), I was conversing with him below and not as a quack. Why would I put that much effort into conversing with a quack?

            It is okay to disagree with people but stop telling us how we you think we feel or what you believe we really think. Those kind of comments are basically gibberish and rambling nonsense.

            I can’t figure out if you do this to derail a conversation or you really think you’ve made some kind of contribution.

            Anyhow, I’m done here.

          • “You know, Steve, I was going to let this slide but I do feel compelled to point out to you that you don’t know squat about my anxiety level or anyone else’s except your own.”

            Liza, you are either playing dumb or you are very naive when you say people can not tell the state of mind of someone by the way they write. Especially when they write the way you do. Your postings are rife with emotion, intensity, frequency and choice of words.

            “It is okay to disagree with people but stop telling us how we you think we feel or what you believe we really think. Those kind of comments are basically gibberish and rambling nonsense.”

            I don’t think my comments are gibberish or nonsense. I think they often hit too close to home and that frightens some people. Besides, people have been telling me what I think or feel since the first time I posted here. Doing so is not uncommon at all. But for you, Liza, I will make an effort not to do that anymore. I will try very hard to limit my comments to what you write about and not what you think or feel.

            “I can’t figure out if you do this to derail a conversation or you really think you’ve made some kind of contribution.”

            I always do it in an attempt to help or to clarify something. If you’ve read anything I have ever written, you should know that derailing a conversation is the last thing I ever do. I usually try and push people to stay on subject because so many on this site try and deflect it in a different direction.

      • “If Trump gets to name three Supreme Court justices, his legacy could go on for decades.”

        That has to be the #1 fear of the left. The way they value getting power and pushing their agendas through the Courts, a decidedly conservative SCOTUS must keep them awake at nights.

        It also happens to be my #1 hope for the Trump Administration.

  5. chill out! liberal elitists are running around with their hair on fire! this leads to tactical mistakes like the 3 cnn reporters recently fired and the scarimuchi retraction. the recent congressional race in georgia shows voters are not impressed with liberal elitist bloviating. in latest poll if election were held today trump would get 43% and clinton would 39% stop reminding voters why they hate clinton pelosi and liberal elitists as much as they hate trump. stop getting in the way of trumps destruction. the resistance. what a unfunny joke. we have elections coming up in virginia and new jersey and 2018 is slowly approaching. remember here in arizona more voters hate liberal elitists then hate trump. this is the real collusion.

    • I dunno, censored, you’re on a monorail and can’t seem to get off even though the landscape is constantly changing. Yes, I appreciate the election issues and there is a lot of hard work ahead. But unless Trump is playing us, then his DESCENT INTO MADNESS just might be a matter of concern that warrants a different kind of attention.

      Forget the lunacy for a moment and make it just this. Tens of millions of people are suffering anxiety and fear right now, worried that they or their families will lose their healthcare. Some of them were Trump voters, others were not. Many of them do not deserve what the GOP wants to do to them. So after Trump told all those lies about healthcare and Medicaid, he doesn’t actually give a damn what happens to those people because all he wants is for Obamacare to be repealed.

      And why does he want that? Well, leopards can’t change their spots and neither can the Birther King. Trump is still obsessed with his seething hatred for President Obama and his irrational need for revenge against a black man who became president. Trump being president (in name only) hasn’t made any difference. Trump is acting out his hatred for Obama through the made up healthcare crisis, now calling for a straight out repeal of the ACA. And all those tens of millions of people begging those sorry sacks of shit in the Senate to recognize their humanity and do the right thing? Trump doesn’t see them.

      In the midst of all that is going on, Trump spent his day on Friday being mad at two TV anchors on MSNBC, another crazy story about the buffoon-in-chief. Then it escalates, he hates CNN, it’s all fake news, blah blah. And he tweets this nonsense, sounding increasingly unhinged.

      There seems to be a new normal for presidential behavior to accommodate Trump’s narcissism and his shenanigans. This is NOT good.

      The coming elections are important, to be sure, nothing related to the beginning of the end of this misery is more important. But there’s other stuff that needs tending as well, happening right now. There are limits to our resilience.

      • I know you want to help. ;but is the so called resistance helping. as you point out a lot of people are upset. they should be calmed down. liberal elitist democrats attacking only reminds voters why they hate liberal elitist. the first tenet in both medicine and politics is do no harm. the so called resistance is making things worse by making republicans and trump supporters come together to fight the resistance. we should get out of their way why they fight it out.

        • Knowing the exact right course of action requires a crystal ball, censored, and no one has that. Cable news does what they do, which is mostly hype a single story for two or three days while the rest of the world goes unnoticed. So, you can bet that Trump attacking media is their big story regardless of what liberal elitists say about Trump et al.

          And if people don’t resist, like with this GOP wealthcare bill, then guess what? They pass it, Trump signs it, and it’s law until the Democrats get Congress and the Presidency back. How many people should die while we are waiting for the backlash against this takeover of our government?

          The idea that we can hide and watch while Trump, McConnell, Ryan, etc…get just enough rope out to hang themselves is a pipe dream at best. Can you identify any time or place in history where that happened?

          But I understand your frustration.

          • I don’t have a crystal ball ;but things are turning out about as I expected. showing legitimate concerns about the healthcare bill is not what I am talking about and it will be delt with in congress and the voting booth not by the so called resistance.

          • Not to belabor the point, Censored, but resisters are voters. And so are their supporters and sympathizers, etc…

          • “…we are waiting for the backlash against this takeover of our government?”

            What “takeover”? Trump was elected in accordance with the Constitution and is governing as is his right as the Cheif of the Execuitve Branch. There was “takeover” involved. Your side lost the election and there are consequences with losing.

            “There seems to be a new normal for presidential behavior to accommodate Trump’s narcissism and his shenanigans.”

            Every President has his only particular way of governing and Trump is no exception. Personally, I wish he stop tweeting, but that is he likes to do it, and that is his perogative, but, as I said, there is a “new normal” for every President.

            ” Trump is still obsessed with his seething hatred for President Obama and his irrational need for revenge against a black man who became president.”

            You know, Liza, you are getting dangerously close to interpreting Trump’s state of mind based on what he writes. You told me that can’t be done, yet you seem to be doing just that. As to the substance of your sentence about him hating Obama because he was black, I think you missed the ball entirely. What makes you think Trumps Obama hates Obama because he is black? And what is Trump getting “revenge” for? Neither supposition makes any sense…

            “Careful, John, your hate is showing.” / “Tens of millions of people are suffering anxiety and fear right now…” / “Trump doesn’t see them.”

            I do believe, Liza, that, while you think I can’t interpret people’s state of mind and emotions from what they write, you are quite confident that you can easily do so. Interesting…

          • Steve, Trump’s so called political career started with the Birther Lie. It’s convenient to leave that out, but it’s the elephant in your “Trump doesn’t hate Obama the black president” room.

            Happy 4th!

          • “Steve, Trump’s so called political career started with the Birther Lie.”

            Liza, the question of where Obama was born has nothing to do with hating him because he is black! You are really really reaching desperately to make that connection. The issue of his birthplace was one that, in the beginning, was a legitimate question to ask given the vagueness with which Obama answered the questions about it. It didn’t help when Hawaii took so long before releasing his birth certificate and, when they did, they issued a short form certificate. It took a while longer before the correct form was finally issued. In other words, Obama and the State of Hawaii did more to prolong the issue than any “birther” ever did. And given all the shenanigans that seemed to be going on, there is no wonder that an aura of suspicion continues to hang around the subject to this day.

            And before you go throwing wild accusations around, the issue was settled for me with the short form birth certificate.

          • “The issue of his birthplace was one that, in the beginning, was a legitimate question to ask given the vagueness with which Obama answered the questions about it.”

            Look, Steve, I’m not going to respond to that “Fox News” Hannity et al nonsense. Trump perpetuated a a big, fat lie and you know it. Even Trump finally tried to walk it back.

            BTW, I know what you are doing. You respond to my comments oftentimes with straight up, unsubstantiated, pure and unadulterated bullsh!t like the quote above. And because you are a true believer in what you say, no matter how made up it is, you think you have won an argument that you fail to recognize as one-sided.

            I don’t respond to the true believers on these kinds of issues, Steve. It is about as appealing to me as discussing it with Trump himself.

            What other president has been asked to show his birth certificate? It was about disrespect, something Trump has done to others all his life and now he’s getting it back in spades.

            Karma’s a bitch.

          • “What other president [candidate] has been asked to show his birth certificate?”

            McCain. McCain’s birth place became a real issue because he wasn’t born in the United States. It was a bitterly fought issue until it was decided that his being born in the Canal Zone on a U.S. Military Base to a Military Father was considered the equivilent of being born in the U.S.

            “You respond to my comments oftentimes with straight up, unsubstantiated, pure and unadulterated bullsh!t like the quote above.”

            Liza, what am I supposed to do? You brought the subject up as proof Trump hated Obama because he was black. I responded that the “Birther” issue and disliking blacks were two separate issues and had nothing to do with each other. I don’t think that is a “one sided argument” because you brought it up and presented your position and I presented the other side.

            “Trump perpetuated a a big, fat lie and you know it. Even Trump finally tried to walk it back.”

            I agree that it was dumb of Trump to keep pushing the issue once the birth certificate was presented. He should not have done so. The birth certificate was a legal document that should have settled the entire issue and hanging on to the issue was stupid.

    • Let this sink in…

      The US President decided not to work this weekend. He wanted to have a feud with TV hosts, make a childish video & golf— Edward Hardy (@EdwardTHardy) July 2, 2017

    • Uh huh…

      Trump has brilliantly changed the subject from “Is he a Russian intelligence asset” to “Is he a dangerously violent lunatic?”— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 2, 2017

    • This so called presidency is the biggest CON JOB ever. To any Trump voters reading this, y’all are so stupid there is nothing to compare you to.

    • Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

      The dishonest media will NEVER keep us from accomplishing our objectives on behalf of our GREAT AMERICAN PEOPLE! #AmericaFirst

      The FAKE MEDIA is trying to silence us – but we will not let them. We won & they lost! The dishonest media will NEVER keep us from accomplishing our objectives on behalf of our GREAT AMERICAN PEOPLE!

      • So tell me, Liza: Do you think you can tell Trumps level and type of emotion from his tweets? Your message indicates you think you can. I thought no one can tell what someone else is thinking from what they write…

  6. what good does liberal whining do? I have proposed initiatives to make it a crime to prevent a citizen of arizona from registering to vote or voting ;but the special interests in the democratic party are only interested in their own agendas. do we here democratic candidates promise to punish those who prevent citizens from voting? NO! they are to busy pushing the agenda of their donors. stop whining start doing!

  7. We would not need a commission if the right people would be the ones voting. You know, white, male, over 60, NRA member, flag waver, Marine veteran, owns his own house in Saddlebrook. They right voter.

    • Ha ha. Well, isn’t that the updated, 21st century vision of the Founding Fathers?

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