Arizona Daily Star comes late to the party in support of health care reform

AZ BlueMeanie

Posted by AzBlueMeanie: The Arizona Daily Star today in an editorial opinion came out strongly for passage of the health care reform bill. Health-care bill must be passed now, not in 5 years. Well, gee thanks guys. You are a little late to the party. Where was this over the past year when it really … Read more

I didn’t say it

David Safier

by David Safier I didn't say it, but J. Davidson did in a comment about Ladner's Zany, Zen-y Emails, referring to the text of one of Ladner's emails in response to my "Are teachers bureaucrats too?" question. "All baseballs are balls, but not all balls are baseballs." Dude. Ladner gets paid $141,000 a year for … Read more

And so it continues – the gutting of Arizona’s future

AZ BlueMeanie

Posted by Craig McDermott I and others will do a more complete analysis of the bills that the lege is pushing as its budget "solution", but here is a brief bit on each, mostly from the factsheets prepared by legislative staff.  I'm using the House bills here, but the Senate has an identical version of … Read more

“Tell it to the Navy SEALS”

David Safier

by David Safier BruceJ, a reader, chimes in about Ladner's "all government employees except teachers are bureaucrats" line: If he literally believes that everyone who works for the government is a bureaucrat, he should have no trouble telling a buncha Navy SEALS that they're 'just bureaucrats'.

Private schools’ 3-to-1 ratio: a reader comments

David Safier

by David Safier The Goldwater Institute maintains Arizona's private schools have a 3-to-1 teacher to non-teacher ratio. Reader Parent X wonders how G.I. arrived at that figure: The private schools in this state don't have to release any kind of information like that, and I'd be absolutely shocked if there is any comprehensive employee list … Read more

Quick update – special and regular session

AZ BlueMeanie

Posted by Craig McDermott …Right now, we are waiting for the beginning (actually the restarting) of last Friday's meeting of Senate Approps. Due to the fact that a number of members couldn't be in town last Friday, they didn't achieve the quorum necessary to conduct business and will do so after a meeting of Senate … Read more

G.I. Guarantee Watch: Ladner’s Zany, Zen-y Emails

David Safier

by David Safier

Bureaucrats_gi_version On Saturday, I received the Goldwater Institute letter telling me Matthew Ladner's statement that there is a "1-to-1 teacher to bureaucrat ratio" is OK ("bureaucrat accurately describes many of the employees in question"). A few days earlier, I sent Ladner an email asking him a question.

If bus drivers are bureaucrats, I asked, aren't teachers "bureaucrats" as well using your broad definition of the term? And if they are, shouldn't you say all school district employees are bureaucrats?

I thought that was a tough one for Ladner to answer. After all, how can a bus driver be more bureaucrat-like than a teacher? So either he has to claim his definition of "bureaucrat" isn't broad enough to include teachers even though it includes bus drivers — a clear absurdity — or he has to admit that he's making a false distinction by separating school district employees into 2 distinct categories: teachers and bureaucrats.

[Note: you can read the entire email exchange below the fold. For now, I'm summarizing my comments and including Ladner's complete replies.]

Ladner must have thought it was a tough one as well. Here is the entire text of his first email answering my question:

All baseballs are balls, but not all balls are baseballs.

Really. That's the whole thing. It's the only time I've ever been tempted to say, Ladner is a man of few words.

I replied, "Sorry, I'm not smart enough to figure out your meaning from the zen koan," and I asked for a genuine, logical answer to my question. Here is his second reply, in full:

Zhiqu teaches: When you're deluded, every statement is an ulcer; when you're enlightened, every word is wisdom.

That's it. A desperate attempt to avoid the question with a non-answer.

I replied, "Wow, Matthew, for once, you really have nothing, not even an attempt at a logical comeback," and once again I asked him to answer my simple queston. Ladner's email #3, in full:

It's just adorable when you try to be aggravating. Do it again!

In my reply, I wrote, "I repeat what I said in my last email. I honestly think you've got nothing." Here is Ladner's email #4, in full:

Socrates teaches that the beginning of wisdom is to know that you know nothing. So I don't presume to know that you are simply trying to waste my time with this, but I strongly suspect it.
 
Arizona's private schools employ more than three teachers for every non-teacher. Arizona's public schools have a ratio of close to one to one. This is a topic for serious consideration and debate. What you are doing strikes me as an attempt to avoid serious consideration and debate.

Notice the attempt to change the subject to another line of attack, one which Darcy Olsen employed twice, on TV and radio, last Thursday. I replied, in part, "All I'm asking for is a straight answer to a direct question." Ladner's email #5:

These are not my definitions, but rather those of the dictionary. If you look up the words bureaucrat, bureacracy and official, you will see that everyone who works for a government agency fits within those definitions.

Aha! That's almost substantive. I replied, "And therefore, teachers are bureaucrats? Finish your thought." Ladner's 6th and final email:

Read the dictionary and decide for yourself Grasshopper.

Wow. To repeat: Wow. In the thousands of words Ladner and I have exchanged on this blog, he has used circuitous and questionable logic, but never has he simply ducked the question.

My conclusion: This is a question Ladner didn't expect, one that pretty much destroys his basic "1-to-1 teacher to bureaucrat ratio" concept, so he didn't dare answer it.

Read the complete email exchange below the fold.

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